Talk:Joan of Arc

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 January 2025

I would like to edit the birthdate ThantBhoneHtet1123 (talk) 12:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Yeshivish613 (talk) 13:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Regarding a "medical diagnosis" for her visions

It is a misunderstanding to think that there was an unhealthy medical condition that was the cause of Joan of Arc's visions. Many prophets and saints have had visions as recorded in scriptures, and even ordinary people such as the shepherds that saw angels heralding the birth of Jesus.

Paramahansa Yogananda offers this explanation from the book "God Talks with Arjuna" of how superconscious intuitive perception of astral phenomena may be experienced by the interiorized consciousness of a yogi: "Man may be said to possess two bundles of searchlights, one inner and one outer: The ego, or body-identified consciousness, holds five outer sensory searchlights of sight, smell, sound, taste, and touch; and the soul holds five inner searchlights that reveal God and the true nature of creation. A searchlight reveals only objects in front of it, not those behind. The outer searchlights of the senses, turned toward matter, reveal to the ego only the various forms of transient and external material objects, not the vast kingdom within. The ego, with its attention identified with the five outer senses, thus becomes attached to the world of matter and its gross limitations.

"When in superconscious meditation the heart is calmed, and the yogi can stimulate at will the spiritual center of the medulla or point between the eyebrows, he can control the inner and outer searchlights of perception. When he switches off the lights of the gross senses, all material distractions vanish. Then the ego automatically turns to behold, through the reinforced inner searchlights held by the soul, the forgotten beauty of the inner astral kingdom.

"The heart-quieted yogi in superconsciousness becomes able to see visions and great lights; to hear astral sounds; and to become identified with a vast dimly lighted space—alive with glimpses of beauties hitherto unknown."

This explanation will doubtless be met with skepticism, or even ridicule or scorn by those who do not practice some form of deeply interiorized yoga meditation, who do not have faith, and who won't accept any metaphysical explanation. This explanation does not satisfy rules of Wikipedia editing as they currently stand, even though such rules may not fully help to advance truth and man's understanding of the ultimate verities.

Alas, it seems that for most, spiritual visions are dismissed, being "a phenomenon confounding to any scholar who relies on facts rather than faith in an unenlightened age in which man has learned to use hardly ten percent of his brain capacity, and that quite awkwardly for the most part."—Paramahansa Yogananda, Autobiography of a Yogi

Jamesray1 (talk) 12:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

The article is not stating that Joan's visions are due to a medical or psychological condition. Rather, it is stating that in terms of her legacy, many people have tried to explain her visions in terms of these conditions. The article points out that no firm claims can be made because the records provide insufficient evidence for a medical diagnosis. Wtfiv (talk) 15:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Does Paramahansa Yogananda mention Joan in his work? If not, I suspect that most of the contribution here might be seen as falling somewhere between WP:PROMO and WP:FORUM Martinevans123 (talk) 16:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 January 2025

Do you mind if I fix a few word errors and add more details on the birthdate? ThantBhoneHtet1123 (talk) 10:14, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Remsense ‥ 论 10:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

We would have a more specific birthdate if it were available. Please see the sources already cited. Remsense ‥ 论 10:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Map

@Wtfiv, could you detail why the SVG map was replaced with the present JPG? It's much preferable to have vector maps, so I would like to create a new revision of the vector map that also addresses your concerns. Remsense ‥ 论 10:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Remsense, If you could convert the map in .svg, please do. If not, I could rebuild in in .svg, though I'll need some time. Wtfiv (talk) 16:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

are there any other changes to the present jpg i should consider while I'm at it? I've already started Remsense ‥ 论 17:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

That's great! I don't think anything needs to be added. The map is based on a work by Barker, the boundaries reflecting the situation just as Joan begins to head toward Orleans. The names reflect major locations that give people the major orientation to Joan's life (with the exception of Agincourt, which is meaningful in the background). Wtfiv (talk) 17:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Remsense ‥ 论 17:39, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Remsense, just letting you know that I rebuilt the map in .svg and posted it. Wtfiv (talk) 03:02, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Why is it "is"

the introduction says she "is a patron saint..." but shouldnt it be "was" instead? 79.177.148.32 (talk) 20:58, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

No, because it's akin to any other symbol in an abstract sense: D-Day isn't a symbol of modern warfare in the past tense, it still is. If you want a more concrete metaphysical reason, saints are understood to be immortal and in some ways present within the church community. Remsense ‥ 论 21:00, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation mate 188.64.206.150 (talk) 09:00, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't think we have any WP:RS that tells us when she stopped being a patron saint? (Unless I'm talking a load of bull, of course.) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 27 January 2025 (UTC)