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I don't know quite where this belongs, but there are factions in the American political landscape who are pro-Isreal but antisemitic. That has become increasingly clear since 2016.

In general writing intelligently about claims of new Antisemitism requires look at several factors, e.g.,

  1. Does the author investigate adverse claims or just take them as true
  2. Does the author apply the same standards as used for other countries
  3. Does the author distinguish among, e.g., Israel, Israeli citizens, Jews?
  4. Does the author put events in context?

Discussing any of these potentially runs afoul of WP:SYNTHESIS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 14:35, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"pro-Isreal but antisemitic" I do not see much of a contradiction here. Supporting Israel for political reasons does not equate to supporting Jews or supporting the rights of Jewish minorities in various countries. In the last few years, I have encountered Greek far right voters who support an alliance with Israel (against Turkey), but have no problem blaming Jews for every social or economic problem faced by the entire world. Dimadick (talk) 23:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You two need to read these articles:
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/terra-incongnita-everyone-i-hate-is-hitler-dangerous-politicization-of-antisemitism-473188
https://www.commentary.org/articles/robert-wistrich/the-new-war-against-the-jews/
https://www.jpost.com/blogs/the-warped-mirror/from-al-jazeera-to-columbia-university-joseph-massads-obsession-with-israel-364634
https://brandeiscenter.com/ali-abunimahs-orwellian-definition-of-anti-semitism/
The idea that "there are factions in the American political landscape who are pro-Isreal but antisemitic" doesn't hold ground, let alone "has become increasingly clear since 2016". Your anecdote doesn't prove otherwise. Wake up! 69.113.233.201 (talk) 01:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Linking four pro-Israel sources and saying "Wake up!" almost two months after the fact, coming from someone who isn't even invested enough in Wikipedia to make an account, does not invalidate these people's points. It's absolutely possible to be antisemitic and pro-Israel, just like it's absolutely possible to be antisemitic and support medical circumcision -- just because arguments against a thing are commonly antisemitic, that doesn't mean supporters of that thing can't be antisemitic. 142.126.186.135 (talk) 17:48, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changing wording

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As the opening of the article implicitly describes the existence of new antisemitism is factual while in reality its existence is highly debated, maybe the wording should be changed to clarify that it's a proposed idea that may or may not be factual? Blepii (talk) 02:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's more dispute over the interpretations of the facts than about the actual facts. No informed person of goodwill would deny that some people on the political left hate Jews, but then there are endless No true Scotsman debates about whether hatred of Jews is "baked in" to certain representative and characteristic forms of leftist doctrine, or whether those forms of leftism must be excluded from the definition of "true" valid leftism, or whether it's a mere personalistic aberration of certain individuals etc. etc. ad nauseam... AnonMoos (talk) 19:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AnonMoos The rest of the article still contains plenty of criticism of the concept, it's only the opening sentence that's changed to something that, in my view, has no consensus from reliable sources. The previous opening sentence to me seemed perfectly neutral and factual and the new one just seems like an effort at pushing WP:POV. 22090912l (talk) 17:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that this issue still deserves more discussion, and I would encourage @Blepii, @AnonMoos and any other interested editor to participate. 22090912l (talk) 17:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have made a suggestion above that the word "belief" might be more appropriate in the lede, to reflect this. Yr Enw (talk) 19:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 February 2025

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Suggestions for further reading section:

 Question: Do you you have an undisclosed connection to any of these articles? Such a connection would need to be disclosed. Anne drew · talk · contribs 22:32, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Question: Are these books published by Public Opinion and Canadian Jewry about the Canadian supporters and opponents, or are they about global supporters and opponents? If they are only about Canadian ones, I would not add the books, per WP:Further reading: "Preference is normally given to works that cover the whole subject of the article rather than a specific aspect of the subject, and to works whose contents are entirely about the subject of the article, rather than only partly." Books about Canadian attitudes are too specific for this global page. Lova Falk (talk) 09:55, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 February 2025

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Suggest adding this article to the further reading section: Brym, Robert. (2024). “Jews and Israel 2024: A Survey of Canadian Attitudes and Jewish Perceptions”. Canadian Jewish Studies Études Juives Canadiennes, 37 (April). https://doi.org/10.25071/1916-0925.40368. Gimpellino (talk) 15:07, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:Further reading: "Preference is normally given to works that cover the whole subject of the article rather than a specific aspect of the subject, and to works whose contents are entirely about the subject of the article, rather than only partly." An article about Canadian attitudes is too specific for this global page. Request denied. Lova Falk (talk) 09:51, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed edit request February 27, 2025

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The link at reference #23 (Irwin Cotler, Making the world 'Judenstaatrein', The Jerusalem Post, February 22, 2009) is a dead link.

I have found a working link for the article cited in this reference: https://www.jpost.com/opinion/op-ed-contributors/making-the-world-judenstaatrein

Please replace the link. Thank you!


ApexParagon (talk) 00:22, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks for the new link! P1221 (talk) 15:27, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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